# Has Pangeo gotten NSF feedback to use pre-existing infrastructure?

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**Created:** [October 29, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://discourse.pangeo.io/t/has-pangeo-gotten-nsf-feedback-to-use-pre-existing-infrastructure/335 "2019-10-29T18:19:24Z")\
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**Author:** ![choldgraf](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/discourse.pangeo.io/choldgraf/32/1061_2.png) [@choldgraf](https://discourse.pangeo.io/u/choldgraf)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://discourse.pangeo.io/t/has-pangeo-gotten-nsf-feedback-to-use-pre-existing-infrastructure/335/1 "2019-10-29T18:19:24Z")

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hey all - someone in the Jupyter community meeting just made a point that I think relates to Pangeo, and I’m curious what this community has experienced:

One of the participants mentioned a hosted / cloud-based analytics platform for molecular modeling. It required scalable computing and large datasets, and they wanted to provide Jupyter environments to let users interact with these.

They got a lot of generally positive response, and wrote up an NSF proposal to build a Pangeo-like model (Jupyter/BinderHub etc) for shared infrastructure within the project.

However, they didn’t get the proposal funded, and a big part of the response was “you should use pre-existing NSF infrastructure for compute etc, not use JupyterHub or cloud computing”. In their case, this means they now integrate with [CyVerse](https://cyverse.org/), which is a big NSF-funded infra project (though doesn’t use many open source infrastructure tools and doesn’t use enterprise cloud at all, I believe)

I am curious if Pangeo has ever gotten feedback along these lines - and if so, how you responded to it?

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**Author:** ![rabernat](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/discourse.pangeo.io/rabernat/32/22_2.png) [@rabernat](https://discourse.pangeo.io/u/rabernat)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://discourse.pangeo.io/t/has-pangeo-gotten-nsf-feedback-to-use-pre-existing-infrastructure/335/2 "2019-10-29T18:31:26Z")

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We have not yet proposed to NSF to operate infrastructure at scale for a large community. We would probably get such questions if we did. Most of what NSF is funding us to do is to develop tools, not operate them.

In a sense, we do operate with existing NSF-infrastructure–one of our biggest “deployments” is on the Cheyenne supercomputer.

NSF does not yet have a coherent strategy for how to support infrastructure on commercial cloud. @jhamman and I are attending [this workshop](https://sites.google.com/view/workshop-on-cloud-cri/) next week, where these questions might be discussed.

I want to figure out how to keep the cloud infrastructure going and expand its user base, because I really believe it is the way forward. So I am very interested in this topic.